The Article ORU Doesn’t Want You to See

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Note: I worked as the editor in chief of the Oracle from May to October of 2011; I am not currently affiliated with the newspaper in any official capacity. None of the newspaper staff are aware that I chose to repost this article, nor did I seek their advice or consent. The article in question is re-printed by permission of the author. I also offer some insights here on some things we can take away from the situation.

On Friday, April 20, Oral Roberts University’s student newspaper, the Oracle, released it’s final print edition of the 2011-2012 academic year. That particular edition would have been fairly innocuous were it not for the presence of a particular letter to the editor in the back pages and, most significantly, the university administration’s response to that letter.

The article was penned by Cassie McNaney, a junior biology pre-med student, and titled “It’s way too easy to be a male at ORU.” Cassie had apparently had enough of the (very real) disparity between rule enforcement for males and females at ORU. This reality is actually common knowledge for most people–well, at least for most females. Whether it’s dress code, chapel attendance, curfew, clean room check, or a laundry list of other rules, the simple fact is that while women are generally expected to follow them to the letter, most men see little to no enforcement whatsoever. Bear in mind that buttoning down on rule enforcement is not what I’m advocating–quite the contrary, most of the rules in question are archaic and need to be dropped.

Even so, there’s another issue here and one that is entirely administration’s making. Barely an hour after the paper had been released, university administration put a damper on publishing the article online at the Oracle‘s website to prevent people from having digital access to it. As well, by Monday, newspapers had disappeared from racks and distribution stands around campus. Real classy, ORU.

Since I find censorship to be extremely immature, I’m posting the entire article on my site and I encourage people to share it. I make that encouragement partially because women interested in coming to ORU ought to have an accurate idea of what living on campus is going to be like. But, I make it primarily because the worst best part about censorship administrative editorial oversight is that people who have meaningful things to say are silenced. is that pesky inconvenient facts that might damage the pristine image the university projects are gracefully scrubbed out.

Censorship might be within the university’s prerogative as a private institution and, believe me, they’ve flexed that muscle more times than this one. Might does not make right, however. I feel like that’s even been preached from the Chapel stage once or twice. Furthermore, this really wasn’t even that big of an issue until the university made it one. As an academic institution, a university should encourage freedom of expression and thought and, if there’s a problem on campus, castigating the student press for giving it coverage is stupid, for lack of a better term. Talk about shooting the messenger. On a campus where the leadership does a lot of talking about “right and wrong,” maybe that will resonate.

So, without further ado, Cassie McNaney…

“Dear Oracle,

“As a freshman, I knew what I was getting myself into with the rules here. I wasn’t a fan of them since most seem a little excessive, but figuring out how strict the rules are is usually the first thing people check when they’re about to spend all of their life savings at a Christian university. However, I never expected a completely separate male and female ORU.

“Don’t get me wrong, I love ORU. I am in the Student Ambassador program and can easily talk about the great education, ministries to get involved in and a variety of other great things about the school. There’s a reason I chose to come here. However, the amount of sexism I face on a consistent basis is disappointing to see at such a good university. By sexism, I don’t mean ‘hatred of women.’ I’m referring to typical gender stereotypes, as well as obvious privileges given to one gender over the other. Overall, it seems as though men do not have to abide to [sic] the same rules as women and get away with more.

“During Spring Break, I went to the midnight movie premiere of The Hunger Games. The weather was cold and rainy, and it was about the only thing we could do to get out of the dorms that didn’t involve destroying neurons. All of the women who went to the movie received a $50 fine, but not one guy did. Keep in mind, they live in separate dorms, so it wasn’t one particular person deciding to punish the girls and not the guys. I cannot put into words how offensive it is to receive harsh punishments for coming in late for curfew when most students who had enough money were basking in bikinis, drinking margaritas, and none of the guys received any punishment. It wasn’t even a smaller punishment; it was none at all. It’s as if I was being punished for being born a female.

“I worked the overnight desk shift at EMR for two years because it kept me entertained the whole night. No other dorm seemed to have fireworks go off in the stairwells or welt-covered freshman [sic] come in the front door from a ‘buck buck.’ Guys would come downstairs asking for the broom, later returning with full buckets of glass. I didn’t even want to know.

“One thing that drove me crazy every time I worked was the amount of hissy fits I received from guys who didn’t want me to write their name down on a sheet of paper. I’m talking large guys having full-on hissy fits. I actually had to call security twice over the span of two years for things being thrown at me. It wasn’t surprising to see freshmen getting angry who weren’t used to the rules yet, but when I started receiving this behavior from upperclassmen, and even guys in leadership positions, I knew something was up. It was as if in all three or four years they had never once had their name written down or couldn’t figure out curfew was at 1:30 a.m. after serving as an R.A. for a whole year.

“I was annoyed beyond description. If I came in late half the amount of times these guys did, I would have to see my left kidney to pay for the amount of fines. Instead of coming in earlier or acknowledging the fines, they would just yell and cuss me out. Yes, including chaplains.

“There are many other instances of sexism. It doesn’t just stop at curfew. Men tend to have way more leniency when it comes to chapel services. For example, ever since my freshman year I have had to come to every chapel service (minus the three allowed skips) and sit in the assigned seating arrangements. I cannot get on my cell phone or look at homework without an R.A. telling me to stop. Trust me, I’ve tried. I’ve even come to chapel services sick with fevers and coughing up a lung–clearly disrupting the service. On the other hand, most of my guy friends can sit anywhere they want and/or miss more services because they are tired, hungry or need to study.

“Moreover, men have more leniency when working out.

“I see guys outside all the time with their shirt off, but God forbid if my shoulder blades shown when I’m at the A.C. When I asked why we have the racerback rule, the answer I received is that racerbacks, modest workout shirts specifically designed to not show any sports bra, make the shoulders look ‘too sexy.’

“I have no idea what that even means. There is not a man on the face of the planet who looks at a woman’s shoulder blades and lustfully unless they have some sort of strange fetish.

“Clean room check is usually only seen in the women’s dorms as well. Based on what guys have told me, if any R.A. checks rooms, it’s usually just to quickly look for alcohol.

“It is extremely sexist to have to clean my room before every women’s open dorms so ‘guys won’t see anything messy.’ My boyfriend has seen every bad side of me. If I repeatedly belch in front of him, I highly doubt he’d care if he sees some clothes on the floor.

“I have to vacuum, wash my counters, make my bed and every I would have to do as if I was leaving for Fall or Spring Break. I’m not paying money to receive the Mrs. degree. I’m paying to become a medical doctor. My friends are paying loads of money as well to start their own businesses, teach or become nurses. We simply do not have time to spend two hours every other Wednesday making sure our rooms are cleaned because that’s what ‘godly’ women do. It’s simply a personality trait.

“I hope this can somehow get people to think twice about how women are treated differently here.”

183 thoughts on “The Article ORU Doesn’t Want You to See

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  2. I’m currently attending ORU. Many of these rules are either no longer on the books or they’re highly misrepresented here. The ones responsible for punishing disobedience to most of the rules are the RAs. If you miss curfew, it’s your RA’s job to report it. (However, they’ll usually let you slide the first time or so with a warning.) I see girls in the gym with Razorbacks all the time, and some of the girls here even walk around in skirts that are so short, I’m surprised they’re allowed at all. Dress code, it’s safe to say, isn’t enforced, unless you’re just downright indecent. EMR is notorious for being the party dorm, and while you’ll find many great people there, you’ll also often find a great number of, shall we say, less civilized individuals. Is ORU a perfect school? Not really. Are there great people here who genuinely care about God and living the example of Jesus? As in any place, I’d say they’re no majority, but yes, there are many Christians here who are actually Christians. So yes, I love my school.
    As a side note, at the beginning of last semester, curfew was abolished for everyone but freshmen. And I’m a freshman. *deskface*

  3. ORU is terrible, if you want a private university, go to TU. Seriously.
    I left ORU after 1 month!!!! I hate this college for this exact reason.

  4. My child actually attends ORU now and has no issues. If you don’t like the rules, don’t break them. If two students (a male and a female) were to break a rule and only one gets punished after getting caught, does that make either one of them any less guilty? Hey folks, OBEY the rules, stop whining, and worry about yourself. If you’re always worrying about everyone else, then you’re not going to make it far in your job (whiners usually don’t get promoted……productive people do).

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  7. I am heart-broken and disappointed over what is going on at ORU.

    Yes, I am a parent. I pay for my child’s school and therefore I have a right to an opinion regarding ORU.

    I really thought that when they found the young girl and her boyfriend dead at the beginning of the school year that ORU would possibly be scrutinized more closely regarding curfew and the rules that go along with living in the dorms. I thought that the mess that is curfew or whatever they call it now would come to light. Then, finding out that the young lady and her boyfriend had been killed sometime in the early evening, I knew that the curfew thing would be a non-issue. You can write letters, make phone calls, etc. until you are blue in the face and the administration at that school could care less.

    As a parent, I *thought* that the 1:30 am curfew meant that someone at ORU was making sure that my daughter was safely in her dorm room by 1:30 am each morning. No, if you think that you would be wrong. It is yet another money making scheme to collect another fine…much like the fines for missing chapel and all of those ridiculous parking tickets they hand out. What is really going on (if you still think that this is some “upstanding Christian University”) is that if a girl or group of girls is very late they will just to go an IHOP or some 24 hour place and stay until 8 am or whenever it is safe to come back without a fine. I wonder what the parents of all these girls would think if they knew that their daughter doesn’t come home some weekend nights??

    While we’re on the subject, why do they even have the students sign an honor code if no one obeys it? Most boys have sex with their girlfriends. Most of the kids drink. They cuss. They do drugs. And I’m paying 25K a year for the privilege of my child attending this spiritual place? It makes me sick. You would THINK that they would actually have chapels addressing these issues – how to discern what direction you want to take in your life, how to pick a spouse, why it is wrong to have pre-marital sex, etc. There dozens of topics that are never discussed….. depression, hopelessness, jealousy, pride, love, hate…fill in the blanks!

    Don’t even get me started on the athletes…they get to do whatever the heck they want…no chapel, no fines, no class some of the time.

    The people can be unbelievably hateful and catty at ORU. The administration doesn’t care about the kids, seriously! My daughter has had some great teachers, though. She has also made some good friends.

    I am not happy, however, that I could have sent her to a state school for 1/3 the tuition…and she would have probably learned more about God and the bible there than at ORU.

    It is truly scary the things that go on there under the guise of a “Christian” university. The way I see it, they will be held accountable for the things they have done in His name.

      • ORUSENIORFTL – Maybe that’s the way your parents raised you, using the trial and error method!. But there are still plenty of Christian parents in America who recognize it is their responsibility to do all they can to see their children growing up to be morally clean citizens for whom godliness is a priority and not an option.

  8. I am a former student who attended ORU between 2008-2011, before a veritable host of reasons made me leave the University in 2011 (primarily financial).
    I loved so much of my experience at ORU.
    My friends, my faculty in the dance and social work departments, and the experiences I lived that ultimately led to my conversion to Catholicism.
    I’m grateful to ORU for many things:
    I’m grateful for the sexism, because it opened my eyes to the fact that there is more to being a woman than being a blasted help-meet, and that my purpose is not dependent on my ovaries.
    I’m grateful for the youth-group mentality because it forced me to mature and fight for adulthood.
    I’m grateful for the mandatory chapel, because without it I might not have had to face blatant theological discrepancies that brought me across the Tiber.
    Kudos to you, Cassie and Roy-Gene.
    I believe ORU has potential, and that more potential students would be impressed by honest dialogue than Red China-style censorship.
    [Of course, I also think the blatant sexism has a lot to do with the traditional fundamentalist gender roles, but that’s another conversation for another day. ;)]

  9. To all you winers on this page, would you like some cheese to go with it? Come and get it then. I will be taking down all of your names.

  10. I graduated in 2009 from ORU, the same year they finally gave men and women the same curfew (re-read that sentence). I’m not one to dwell on the negative or bash anyone or anything, but i have a story that is very indicative and hopefully it will be part of a catalyst for the actual change that I didn’t have the courage to really fight for when I was still at ORU. At one hall meeting, the women were given a survey to gauge the interest/relevance levels of various topics for an upcoming women’s conference. We were supposed to circle the topics that would be most relevant to us. About 40-50% of the options were either incredibly superficial choices such as: “how to lose weight/eat healthier in Saga” “how to fight cellulite” “dressing modestly yet attractively”. Another 40-50% of the options were romantic relationship related. There was one, maybe two, (out of about 30 choices) related to careers (which is why I got a degree at least) and from what I can remember, no real, life-is-dirty type options. I refused to fill it out and reacted by writing a facebook note about my frustrations with the sexism at ORU. The next day, the dean of women told me to report to her office (via a facebook message) and was holding a copy of my facebook note when I walked in (re-read that sentence). She told me that she was disappointed that i would take out my dissatisfaction on a public forum because they were only trying to make an event that they believed would be helpful to women. And maybe it would be to some women, but I can’t help but feel that giving women such false options about what is relevant to them is degrees more hurtful than helpful. Bold, smart, assertive women don’t fit well into the “help-meet” role and sometimes people don’t know what to do with us. The problem is that we don’t really know what to do with us either, and these types of expectations only foster a deep sense that we have to choose to either a) ignore our ambitions and passions by becoming the “perfect” woman/wife/mother (interpret: being loved) or b) risk rejection by both the church and decent men so you can live an a-typical, challenging, intellectually-stimulating, yet lonely life. In the group, or out of the group. Your choice.

    She asked me to take down the note. I left, and went down to the psychology department and was instantly sought out by the professors of the psychology department (who had no idea about my meeting) who began praising me for my critical thinking and refusing to passively accept gender stereotypes. Apparently my good friend Samantha had already printed and disseminated my note. I was a lot less bold two years ago than I am now, so I still took down my facebook note. But maybe some women at ORU will be bolder than me.

    • Wow. I know ORU punished students for things they’ve said on Facebook, but that’s the worst case I’ve ever seen/heard on it. Major props to Samantha and your psychology professors.

    • What is the current curfew? That’s encouraging to read administration is applying the same standard to men as women. Great post Amy! I married a strong woman from ORU 23 years ago, who hated the “wog” thing. We have an awesome marriage–a partnership of equals, of friendship.
      I think a big challenge on the topic of faithful dissent is building a context and culture where it can happen. Gagging dissent, which is what the dean of women did, will not improve the culture. But, a culture of complaining led to wandering around the wilderness for 40 years. Generally, the best course is to take a problem to someone with the authority to do something, but don’t just take a problem, take an idea. What if they don’t want either? Move on, let it go. Build your own ministry or company or whatever to meet the need.

  11. I love this article, it brings up some great points about ORU and about some of the inequalities….but this is only 1 side of the coin….let’s look at how woman have it easier then men at ORU.

    I went to ORU for 4 year (2006-2010)….every day I had to wear jeans (no sweatpants, work out pants, etc: jeans, kaki’s or dress pants!) and a collared shirt (weather polo or dress shirt) to class…if I walked into class without this on…I was usually turned away from class (esp. Oral Communications) and had to rush back to my room to change to get back to class before I was screwed. On the contrary Woman can almost wear whatever they like when it comes to class…”usually” the only rule is no tank tops for woman and shorts…woman can wear T-shirts to class, men can not (they are supposed to be classy nice T-shirts but more often then not I’ve seen plain T-shirts and weird random ones too).

    For YEARS men had to be clean shaved anywhere on campus…we were turned away from the cafeteria and could not eat unless we were clean shaven (we still love you Miss Pansey even though you turned us away). Turned away from class and food just because we were a little scruffy. Finally facial hair rules changed my senior year….to rules of trimmed and groomed facial hair was allowed but not on the neck or below, if your facial hair was scruffy we were still turned away from class and cafeteria.

    MEN were not allowed to wear workout shorts into the cafeteria…yet the girls got to get in with their short soffee’s on (for those of you that do not know soffees are female workout shorts that are very short and can be very revealing). the volleyball players were always allowed into the cafeteria with their spandex short playing shorts (these left very little to the imagination).

    Jewelry! MEN were not allowed to have any sorts of piercings that could be viewed or were visible. Male RA’s would stop you and make you take out earrings or you would get a fine. Now that I am graduated I have both my ears pierced as I could not have them in at ORU. Though it is perfectly acceptable for woman to have all manner of piercings and jewelry in them, mulitple piercings as welll.

    MEN HAIR: Long big hair was not permitted for several years….when it got too long and touched our collars we were to cut it. Walking around ORU I saw many woman with long hair. Men were not allowed to have crazy hair styles or to dye our hair colors that were not, blonde, brown and black….but girls could get away with highlighting their hair with different colors, adding in streaks of blue or purple, etc (now they couldn’t completely dye their whole hair unnatural hair colors as well)

    So while yes in general I think that woman do have a few rules that might need to be changed or relaxed on……but Ladies do not think that this is some sort of sexism towards you. For if you truly want everyone to be treated the exact same then you’d loose a LOT of the freedom at ORU that you have the men do not: you’d have short hair, no piercings, have to wear blouses and dress pants to class….couldn’t get into the caf with anything less then completely covered legs, but hey you’d maybe not have to clean your room as often.

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  13. In middle school I tried to start a Bible-study, I had to inform myself of my constitutional rights of free speech, and religious liberties in the context of my own person, and in the area of creating and sustaining a religiously focused, student-led (and faculty over-sighted) bible study on a governmental campus. This led me to have a great respect for student speech and the freedom that we have. Later in high school I ran a Bible-study for 3 years. The difficulties we had were in the area of advertising and being treated like every other student organization. I had some difficulty working through red-tape, and I left without getting what I wanted to happen fully achieved. For this and other reasons, I have a lot of respect for the students’ voice. While I am not advocating a Berkeley all-out Free Speech movement, because we are a private, Christian campus, and the issues are quite different. We should accept the rules and penalties but work towards a system of complete integrity (meaning wholeness, oneness [1-integer]). I respect Cassie’s ability to write into the Oracle, and believe that her voice should not be silenced by any faculty/staff member. At the same time please read what else I have to say.

    I have respect for people that speak out against injustice. In the oracle context, obviously Christian principles were kept relatively, at the same time it was not objective, nor did it need to be. Like Roy-Gene has written, it was an editorial. When she said, “I feel like I am being punished for being female” , this is completely adequate to be stated because this is an authentic feeling of the writer, and in some sense, quite a natural feeling/comment to make in the situation. PR and journalism ARE 2 different things. If the Oracle is to be a student newpaper, let it be a student newspaper!!! The first inside page of the Oracle says that, “The Oracle is the premier student new media organization of Oral Roberts University”. The PR department sends its emails, and has its numerous publications for the alumni, and the overall donors, etc. Parents will not read this oracle article (except if they mail it to some, which they may in fact do). I think it would be important for people to realize that the Oracle makes 10 promises to the ORU community, and the allowance of an editorial like this falls into at least 5 of the 10 points, (3, 4, 7, 8, 10). Because I believe that not enough students read the Oracle, I will not write out what those 5 points are, but force you to actually find a copy and read them for yourself (hopefully they will be the same in mine and your edition).

    I wonder: if we had really good publishing during some of the events in the previous administrations era, if some of the events would not have happened so easily, and ORU would not have gotten in so much trouble. (Since journalism can’t prevent personal leaders’ actions, most likely not, but keep reading) Maybe the Oracle should have published the debt that we were in, in each edition, just like US newpapers count the casualties of the wars abroad. Perchance we would not have been on the seat of bankruptcy years ago. Maybe if the Oracle was allowed to write on senior administration-faculty issues, like when Richard Roberts inappropriately firing tenured professor(s), they could think twice before doing something irrational. This is where the truth lies. The Oracle is not a place to throw complaints about policies and enforecement on every page, but it is certainly something up for grabs as a part of what the student lives entail and feel. This is why it belongs in the Oracle, and this is what is great about certain forms of media and overall free speech. One person can state their side, and someone else theirs.

    I think one of the greatest things about good journalism is that it has done an incomprehensible good for our nation in certain instances. (None of the references which I am about to cite mean that I support any illegal activity entailed in the reception or dissemination of information). Consider the Watergate issue in the news… the Pentagon Papers…the crimes against humanity done by foreign dictators to foreign peoples, the lack of proper legal protection and humane treatment to prisoners of wars in Guantanamo Bay and other military facilities. Now consider actions on campus…the rumor that: inviting the press as a response to the furniture rule when there was not enough heads up given at that specific occasion, and would cost a lot in material and temporal resources to relocate said furniture without proper notification. Also, Roy-Gene writes in his article, “A Wonderful Little Story”, about a class on Orthodoxy by an Orthodox priest …. that “Though I haven’t been able to directly confirm this information, people have told me and I’ve read anecdotes suggesting these conversions were met with some hostility from the university administration. Allegedly, Professor Williams’ classes were in danger of being canceled due to the number of conversions and there was a sit-in protest that averted this action from taking place, but, again, this I haven’t been able to directly confirm this. All things considered, however, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if this story were true and for multiple reasons…’

    Is this really a case of censorship though? After talking with someone else the point may arise that “If a faculty/staff member grabs copies, this doesn’t mean that ORU is systematically censoring the article”! This is the problem between trying to blame an entire institution for the actions of one or two people taking copies, and those who took them, most likely without consent from others higher up. Institutional censorship is usually a top down thing, so if it happens in the middle, it is still censorship, but of that person, not necessarily the entire institution, and to label it as institutional could be grossly inaccurate.

    What I think is important about this issue is the ability for students to express themselves, especially if there is any truth in what they are saying. The fact that maybe some people on staff or whatever react to this, makes it even more of an issue, maybe even a different one. The statement Cassie made: “Overall, it seems as though men do not have to abide to [sic] the same rules as women and get away with more.” This is Cassie’s main issue, and I hope, for her sake that she receives an honest response. Not saying that those above us have been entirely dishonest, but that we deserve to be treated as adults and have any serious questions like this answered. It might have been better though, for the sake of Biblical truth, that when one person has an issue with someone else, that they should follow a Matthew 18 model: “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church.” So if you are offended by someone and they wrong you when it needs to be addressed, go to them and state the overall issue, “double standard for men and women” with the Dean of Women, see what they say, if nothing happens, take others with you to verify the validity of the point(multiple examples for instance), . If that does not work, you just work up the chain. Only then if they have grossly failed to address the issue, is it reasonably allowed to be called an ORU thing rather than the decision of a couple of people. The final point in Matthew 18, ‘tell it to the church’ at the end, might be related to, if the situation is not resolved, going to the Oracle and publishing it. Yes I know the issue still affects the women students, but the question is, “what is the right way to deal with it?” I applaud the courage and the sentiments that she feels of being treated in that way, but at the same time, as Christians and thinking practically in this situation, there might be a more feasible way to get the situation addressed and personally handle it.

    We do only have one side of the picture, and we do not see, what they are enforcing in many different situations to different individuals all over campus. Sometimes there are rumors that someone left because they were forced to, when it may be that they decided to, while I am not saying that this is not universal in all cases.

    As Aaron Tift says…”I promise you, if you have a stand-up RA who is facing those things, they are getting reported and dealt with.” Many of the problems are with the enforcement of the RAs. Perchance we should consider that The Dean of Men can not enforce things that they do not hear about!! It’s the RA’s job to report stuff, and if the RA’s guys are lax that is where the problem lies. If this is true, then it would stand that, the proper ways of dealing with the said issue with the leadership was not taken care of in the right manner. That it may be incorrect to label it a problem of ORU as a whole, and may be an incorrect comment against the Dean of Student Development, and the dean of men, since they can not enforce things that the men RA’s are not reporting. I think that she had a right to be published, but that some of the things in it were not qualified in the fact that she is putting certain forms of moral blame on parties that are not responsible, and that the situation could have been handled in a different way.

    In our position we can not say in the Hunger Games movie example that, “the RA was notified and reported it to the head RA or Dean of Men” only then, if they are notified, and one group of indiviuals are given more warnings than another, can we say that this is an unfair situation. At the same time, after hearing all the other blog posts stories, the evidence becomes an issue far beyond what was in the Oracle.

    The question is, “What is the specific problem?” and “what are the specific changes that are going to be made?” Should the Dean of Men make things more strict? With the flow that the university has taken concerning enforcement and the current rules related to general culture, it may be that they make a couple of things more regulated, but overall could change something in the entire way that it is kept.

    The thing is, right now, it does not seem that there is any direct pressure(to the proper people that have the influence) to change any policies in this regard from the student body. Enforcement is a staff issue, the changing of university rules for students is a board and president issue.

    If students really wanted to make a change, they should communicate rationally and personally what is the problem and certain solutions to the dean of student development, Dean Guajardo. Maybe one of the reason this blog blew up was because people had already known that this was a problem, and students were not able to at the current time, or simply did properly deal with the problem in the past. Things have changes for the better I believe with Dr. Rutland, so I think some of the things said about ORU’s policies in the past relating to ORU now, may be unqualified. We should see ourselves as part of the solution, and with the testimonies of others, good evidence, and a little humility, address the specific issue at hand.

    • I’m sorry. I respect the amount of time and energy you placed into the post. But when faced with the prospect of reading a 2,000+ word comment, the words of Thomas Jefferson come to mind:

      “The most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do.”

  14. ORU had the right to censure, but was it “right?”
    on the same note,
    Cassie had the right to express her experiences, but was it “right?”

    Honestly, I felt quite uneasy after reading the letter. On the one hand it was very honest and exposed problems that should be dealt with. The way it was exposed those problems didn’t feel very loving.

    I think that everyone can take away from this experience that whether it’s administration to students or students to administration or even students to students, truth in love is the ultimate goal. Without it, Paul says, we are just a noisy gong or clangning cymbal (1 Cor. 13:1). But with it, we mature in every way, recognizing Christ as our ultimate example (Eph. 4:15).

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