The Article ORU Doesn’t Want You to See

(Graphic: Roy-Gene)

Note: I worked as the editor in chief of the Oracle from May to October of 2011; I am not currently affiliated with the newspaper in any official capacity. None of the newspaper staff are aware that I chose to repost this article, nor did I seek their advice or consent. The article in question is re-printed by permission of the author. I also offer some insights here on some things we can take away from the situation.

On Friday, April 20, Oral Roberts University’s student newspaper, the Oracle, released it’s final print edition of the 2011-2012 academic year. That particular edition would have been fairly innocuous were it not for the presence of a particular letter to the editor in the back pages and, most significantly, the university administration’s response to that letter.

The article was penned by Cassie McNaney, a junior biology pre-med student, and titled “It’s way too easy to be a male at ORU.” Cassie had apparently had enough of the (very real) disparity between rule enforcement for males and females at ORU. This reality is actually common knowledge for most people–well, at least for most females. Whether it’s dress code, chapel attendance, curfew, clean room check, or a laundry list of other rules, the simple fact is that while women are generally expected to follow them to the letter, most men see little to no enforcement whatsoever. Bear in mind that buttoning down on rule enforcement is not what I’m advocating–quite the contrary, most of the rules in question are archaic and need to be dropped.

Even so, there’s another issue here and one that is entirely administration’s making. Barely an hour after the paper had been released, university administration put a damper on publishing the article online at the Oracle‘s website to prevent people from having digital access to it. As well, by Monday, newspapers had disappeared from racks and distribution stands around campus. Real classy, ORU.

Since I find censorship to be extremely immature, I’m posting the entire article on my site and I encourage people to share it. I make that encouragement partially because women interested in coming to ORU ought to have an accurate idea of what living on campus is going to be like. But, I make it primarily because the worst best part about censorship administrative editorial oversight is that people who have meaningful things to say are silenced. is that pesky inconvenient facts that might damage the pristine image the university projects are gracefully scrubbed out.

Censorship might be within the university’s prerogative as a private institution and, believe me, they’ve flexed that muscle more times than this one. Might does not make right, however. I feel like that’s even been preached from the Chapel stage once or twice. Furthermore, this really wasn’t even that big of an issue until the university made it one. As an academic institution, a university should encourage freedom of expression and thought and, if there’s a problem on campus, castigating the student press for giving it coverage is stupid, for lack of a better term. Talk about shooting the messenger. On a campus where the leadership does a lot of talking about “right and wrong,” maybe that will resonate.

So, without further ado, Cassie McNaney…

“Dear Oracle,

“As a freshman, I knew what I was getting myself into with the rules here. I wasn’t a fan of them since most seem a little excessive, but figuring out how strict the rules are is usually the first thing people check when they’re about to spend all of their life savings at a Christian university. However, I never expected a completely separate male and female ORU.

“Don’t get me wrong, I love ORU. I am in the Student Ambassador program and can easily talk about the great education, ministries to get involved in and a variety of other great things about the school. There’s a reason I chose to come here. However, the amount of sexism I face on a consistent basis is disappointing to see at such a good university. By sexism, I don’t mean ‘hatred of women.’ I’m referring to typical gender stereotypes, as well as obvious privileges given to one gender over the other. Overall, it seems as though men do not have to abide to [sic] the same rules as women and get away with more.

“During Spring Break, I went to the midnight movie premiere of The Hunger Games. The weather was cold and rainy, and it was about the only thing we could do to get out of the dorms that didn’t involve destroying neurons. All of the women who went to the movie received a $50 fine, but not one guy did. Keep in mind, they live in separate dorms, so it wasn’t one particular person deciding to punish the girls and not the guys. I cannot put into words how offensive it is to receive harsh punishments for coming in late for curfew when most students who had enough money were basking in bikinis, drinking margaritas, and none of the guys received any punishment. It wasn’t even a smaller punishment; it was none at all. It’s as if I was being punished for being born a female.

“I worked the overnight desk shift at EMR for two years because it kept me entertained the whole night. No other dorm seemed to have fireworks go off in the stairwells or welt-covered freshman [sic] come in the front door from a ‘buck buck.’ Guys would come downstairs asking for the broom, later returning with full buckets of glass. I didn’t even want to know.

“One thing that drove me crazy every time I worked was the amount of hissy fits I received from guys who didn’t want me to write their name down on a sheet of paper. I’m talking large guys having full-on hissy fits. I actually had to call security twice over the span of two years for things being thrown at me. It wasn’t surprising to see freshmen getting angry who weren’t used to the rules yet, but when I started receiving this behavior from upperclassmen, and even guys in leadership positions, I knew something was up. It was as if in all three or four years they had never once had their name written down or couldn’t figure out curfew was at 1:30 a.m. after serving as an R.A. for a whole year.

“I was annoyed beyond description. If I came in late half the amount of times these guys did, I would have to see my left kidney to pay for the amount of fines. Instead of coming in earlier or acknowledging the fines, they would just yell and cuss me out. Yes, including chaplains.

“There are many other instances of sexism. It doesn’t just stop at curfew. Men tend to have way more leniency when it comes to chapel services. For example, ever since my freshman year I have had to come to every chapel service (minus the three allowed skips) and sit in the assigned seating arrangements. I cannot get on my cell phone or look at homework without an R.A. telling me to stop. Trust me, I’ve tried. I’ve even come to chapel services sick with fevers and coughing up a lung–clearly disrupting the service. On the other hand, most of my guy friends can sit anywhere they want and/or miss more services because they are tired, hungry or need to study.

“Moreover, men have more leniency when working out.

“I see guys outside all the time with their shirt off, but God forbid if my shoulder blades shown when I’m at the A.C. When I asked why we have the racerback rule, the answer I received is that racerbacks, modest workout shirts specifically designed to not show any sports bra, make the shoulders look ‘too sexy.’

“I have no idea what that even means. There is not a man on the face of the planet who looks at a woman’s shoulder blades and lustfully unless they have some sort of strange fetish.

“Clean room check is usually only seen in the women’s dorms as well. Based on what guys have told me, if any R.A. checks rooms, it’s usually just to quickly look for alcohol.

“It is extremely sexist to have to clean my room before every women’s open dorms so ‘guys won’t see anything messy.’ My boyfriend has seen every bad side of me. If I repeatedly belch in front of him, I highly doubt he’d care if he sees some clothes on the floor.

“I have to vacuum, wash my counters, make my bed and every I would have to do as if I was leaving for Fall or Spring Break. I’m not paying money to receive the Mrs. degree. I’m paying to become a medical doctor. My friends are paying loads of money as well to start their own businesses, teach or become nurses. We simply do not have time to spend two hours every other Wednesday making sure our rooms are cleaned because that’s what ‘godly’ women do. It’s simply a personality trait.

“I hope this can somehow get people to think twice about how women are treated differently here.”


183 thoughts on “The Article ORU Doesn’t Want You to See

  1. I’ve been thoroughly blessed and thrilled to read this thread. I’m a 1989 graduate–was a chaplain and an RA. Since then, I’ve worked as a pastor, including two years as a chaplain at OU in Norman. In the eighties, the big issue with the Oracle was should it be used as a forum for debate on abortion. All the same issues came up.
    I’ve lived through so many scandals now, ORU included. I’ve also lived through the destruction of a denomination I chose as an adult. Scandals, including immorality, greed, and heresy all thrive on secrecy. At the same time, complaining can destroy an organization. It’s simply always going to be a challenge. In one sense, internet communication is such a better forum for this kind of conversation than a student paper ever was or could be.
    I’d be curious to see more comments from recent male RA’s and students. In my experience, first, the folks who a night desk person would see regularly are people who aren’t the norm. They are people who are pushing the rules. So, I wouldn’t want to use that population as indicative of the whole. Things may have changed drastically in the men’s RA program, but the tradition certainly wasn’t one of ignoring the rules for guys. The curfew rules always stuck in the craw of the ladies. Is it fair that it’s more dangerous for women to be out at night than men? No. I was willing to live by the same standards as the women for their sake. Apply the same standard to men as women. What’s the big deal? Except for work after hours, really, if you’re out playing late into the night, you’re an example of what’s wrong with college in America. One can only really do that if they’re borrowing against their future, or someone is bankrolling them.
    The issues discussed of eating disorders and self-harm are very real on every campus. I think it’s brave to talk about on this blog, and important. Are they more prevalent at ORU than elsewhere? Is the need to project a positive image so crushing that ORU has a higher amount of problems with this than other schools? Frankly, I’d doubt it. Students at schools like OU don’t have the support systems of the wings/floors. Despite all my complaints, and I have many, I know student life at ORU is infinitely better than in the dorms or frat houses at OU. I suppose there’s no hypocrisy because there no standards.
    These are good conversations. Truth is never disloyal.

  2. I went to oru in the 80s. Believe me, it was the same double standards then too. Professors are the only thing that made it tolerable. Administration really sucked. Just trying to keep anyone from rocking the boat.

  3. I’m a parent of now one recent graduate, and one freshman. As a parent, I am appalled that this practice that you now have all commented on is still continuing to this day. I went to ORU back in the 80’s, and the practice was alive and well then. To see it still happening is not only discouraging, it’s enraging. Roy, if you could please email me off line and give me information, I would love to take this to the next level. Leadership started changing a few years ago with the ouster of Richard Roberts. Obviously more needs to happen. In fact, a total overhaul of the rules and honor code needs to happen. It needs to be examined closely, and it’s enforcement monitored so that all students are treated equal, respected equally, and then ORU can get back to the business of being the great University that it is. I would like to know who to meet with, email and otherwise speak with when I’m there next week picking up my student for the summer. My daughter might be 19, but it’s still ME footing the bill for her education, and this is not what I we signed up for. I would have thought that the administration had learned by now from the indiscretions of Richard Roberts’ reign to have continued this lop-sided rules enforcement.
    Yes, it’s just a student paper, but one my other daughter used to work on. I have high respect for her work, and that of others. Let’s be respectful and make good changes happen.

      • Why wouldn’t I speak my extreme displeasure at ORU’s administration? I’m providing money for my daughter to go there, and if it weren’t for alumni and donors, there would be a lot missing from ORU, including funds and various activities. I will speak my displeasure to not only administration, but the Board of Directors. People need to hear this, and read all these comments to hear just how toxic the situation is.

      • It’s not toxic, it’s just people complaining because they don’t have any perspective. College kids everywhere complain, its what they do and why no one takes them seriously…Also, the alumni and donors are the reason the paper was pulled, duh!

    • I think pjtormey’s just being sarcastic at this point, Mrs. Gallup. Everything you said was a valid piece of criticism and should be taken into consideration.

      If pjtormey is being serious, I think it’s safe to say the “the complainer and students are always wrong” mentality the ORU administration has is beginning to blind him.

      • What PJ is engaging in is called “trolling.” Basically, to “troll” an online forum is to post comments that are deliberately ignorant in order to elicit a negative response from other participants and, ultimately, draw attention to the troll. If people didn’t grow up using the Internet, they might be less familiar with that concept. Basically, Internet trolls are a bit like three-year-olds who never grew out of the desire to rub their feces on the bathroom wall.

      • I fully disagree Roy-Gene.

        In this thread of conversation PJ has a stated premise, “Parents shouldn’t interfere in student affairs.” The defense of a premise you might feel is incorrect or ignorant does not create a troll. If PJ were arguing that President Rutland is actually a Nazi who wishes to eventually enslave the entire student body, that mould make him a troll. (And considering the fact I had an email address at 4 years old, I’m something of an expert by your standards.) This is simple conception about parental involvement into student affairs, defended in a measured and simple manner.

        Furthermore, while some of you may be dismissive of PJ’s premise simply because you feel it’s “sarcastic” or “deliberately ignorant,” we should consider why he feels this way. I am certain he holds this perspective honestly, because I was actually on campus for a portion of the same time as PJ, and through those experiences I also agree with his premise (albiet to a lesser extent). This is because we have both been victims of the deleterious effects parental involvement can bring.

        On multiple occasions, parental involvement from the families of my classmates elicited an outright censorship of specific academic pursuits in multiple classes, from English 101 to my Senior level courses. Parental involvement often brings more regulation, more censorship, and less freedom to the classroom.

        Although I am certainly not opposed to parents wanting to have their say, I must agree with the premise; on the whole, the more that parents are involved, the worse the situation becomes.

      • Shirley, while a parent, is also an alumna, which affords her views a more significant place than parents who merely sent their kid to ORU.

      • Roy-Gene,
        As a current alumnus, I respect your opinion and that of Mrs. Gallup. I happen to disagree and will continue to advocate a more hands-off or “meta” role for myself and my fellow alumni.

        Notice, I am not characterizing you, Mrs. Gallup, and those that might agree with you as “trolls.” As I stated before, I respect your opinion, and your right to air it, no matter how I feel about it personally.

        I detest the fact that someone who shares my same view would be termed a “troll” simply because they espouse a viewpoint contrary to your own. While it might feel very gratifying to describe your ideological opponents as “fecal smearing 3-year-olds,” this is the level of discourse I expect from the uneducated and the lazy. For someone holding a high level of education, while touting journalistic credentials, to engage in such an indolent rhetoric is simply disappointing.

      • Aaron, if you really want to attempt to characterize PJ Tormey’s comments on this thread as anything other than trollish in nature, please be my guest. This is not a matter of ideological disagreement as you suggest. As I’ve told him, he is more than welcome to say whatever he likes; his tone, however, should not be given to intentionally inflaming emotion.

      • “No more parent influence please! NO!!!! That’s probably why the paper was pulled in the first place… The students are adults now.”

        “Parents shouldn’t interfere in student affairs…”

        “It’s not toxic, it’s just people complaining because they don’t have any perspective. College kids everywhere complain, its what they do and why no one takes them seriously…Also, the alumni and donors are the reason the paper was pulled, duh!”

        I obviously am quite ignorant concerning the “tone” of internet commentary. Please enlighten me as to which of these statements regarding parental involvement you consider to be troll-like, and which statements give you the self-justification to engage in the benighted drivel of name-calling.

    • Thank you for posting! While I agree that in the process of becoming adults, we need to learn to handle things on our own. But this is no “he said/she said” type of situation. It is much bigger than one student, or even all of the students together. They’re not heard. And, so parents should step in, as there are, in fact, still the students’ parents, and probably footing part of their bill. Hopefully, if the “higher-up’s” are made aware of the seriousness of this issue and enough people finally put their foots down, some changes will be made. So, please, do what needs to be done. And, if they do away with the paper because of this, I think that’d be newsworthy…like, REAL NEWSworthy.

  4. This comment has been altered by the webmaster.

    As someone who had the privilege of serving as a HRA for 3 years, 2 in EMR (Armor!) and 1 in MC, I could discuss these many subjects for hours (and have on a few occasions).

    I loved ORU, the RA program, and the RAs/student leaders I worked with. We were far from perfect, but the idea that there exists a systemic laissez faire attitude regarding behavior from the Men’s program is simply untrue. While the rest of you all were studying, sleeping, complaining about your RA, or enjoying your life however you chose, me and my guys were the ones:

    (This information has been removed. Please do not reveal personally identifiable information about other individuals in this comment thread. Before you all accuse me of censorship, check the Comment Policy.)

    Please do not construe this as complaining, I signed up for that gig and I knew what was coming when I accepted the job. But please understand that the job is difficult and that difficulty is what causes some RAs to be less than consistent. We were not all perfect, far from it. And I won’t even say that everyone tries, but the ones that don’t, usually won’t last long. As an HRA I always came down very hard on fellow RAs who were failing in their role and example, and I am truly sorry that some of my guys weren’t always consistant.

    But I ask this question, would you extend to your RA in their role the same leniency and grace you expect in your role as a student?

    If you want to solve the problem of consistency, eliminate both the Dean of Men and Dean of Women positions, and hire Dean Olsen as the new Dean of Students.

    • By your actions you agree censorship is permissible in certain circumstances. In your case, you own the blog and have every right to determine a commenting policy.

      Perhaps ORU has a similar policy against the Oracle blatantly disparaging the University. Logically, you must agree that since ORU owns and pays for the Oracle (just like you do this blog), they have the right to determine and exercise a censorship policy just like you do.

      • Actually I do hold that censorship is necessary in some circumstances, as I’m sure you became aware when you read my policy on commenting. But, no, I don’t “logically” have to agree that the university should have censored the Oracle in this circumstance. First, Cassie’s piece was an editorial, an opinion piece that expressed her views; it was not meant to be a thorough examination of the facts, merely one person’s take on her own experience. Second, I altered your comment because it was in violation of a policy that has been present on my site for some time. By contrast, Cassie’s article was not in violation of a such policy because no such policy exists between the Oracle and administration. I altered your comment because you revealed personal information about another person on this thread inappropriately (which was probably an honest mistake); administration attempted to squash Cassie’s article because they didn’t like it (which is immature). Finally, the university may own the Oracle (technically, the Oracle and the Perihelion are funded by the Student General Fee, but that money all goes into the same pot) and they may have the ability to censor by virtue of that fact; as I’ve said, however, that doesn’t make it right. The student press exists to serve a purpose, one it can only fulfill when it doesn’t have to worry about heavy-handed and reactionary administrators throwing fits every time something they don’t like is published.

      • When discussing censorship, we have to determine what gives an entity the right to censor it’s publication. At the core, it comes down to ownership. You can argue that the Oracle is “paid for” by students, but ORU is the entity that has the power to control funding toward or away from the Oracle – they own it. Just as you own this blog.

        I don’t like this censorship, but it certainly isn’t out of the norm. The only difference was the fact it ever made it to print. You and I both worked in StudPub and we both saw the censorship that took place on a regular basis. I personally “raged” heavily against it to Dean Shirk, but I do understand the Administration’s point. And as much as I hate it, they have the right to censor the Oracle so they’re not paying to make themselves look bad.

        This is the reason I have always been a proponent of a free and independent, online journalistic mouthpiece at ORU. Unfortunately, by the time I wanted to make it happen, I was out of time in my days and my remaining tenure.

      • We’re talking about two different things. You’re talking about a “right” with the definition of something that legally belongs to someone. I’m talking about whether or not it’s “right” for the university to censor the Oracle focusing on the “moral” side of this discussion. The university has the “right” to censor the student press since it foots the bill, but that doesn’t make it “right.” I’m not alleging that the university broke any laws, I’m saying that to censor in this and in similar circumstances is not only wrong but dumb.

    • Also, because I respect your rules, I will edit and repost the censored writing:

      -Chasing XXXXX XXXXX up the fire escape at 2am
      -Standing in front of Narnia at 3:30am so some stupid College Weekender wouldn’t get hurt
      -Standing in the lobby making all the guys coming in late sign in, when the student desk worker thought it was “stupid” to so on DST night
      -Cleaning the outlandish mess left by everyone after dorm move out
      -Walking up to a guy on the floor to tell him that he’s slept through 6 chapel services and he’ll be getting a fine
      -Etc, etc.

      • Roy you just got OWNED!!! So a “letter to the editor” is an opinion piece but blog article comments aren’t? HYPOCRISY!!! INJUSTICE!!! PISTOLS AT DAWN!!! Mr. Tifft reveals to us the male RA secrets so mind-bending not even the giant stone hands of Oral could cover it up! …In retrospect, the female RA’s are BRILLIANT for being so strict instead of having to clean up the Animal House of destruction left by the EMR guys who’s RA’s fail to enforce discipline on. One year I felt so sorry for an MOG (Men of God) RA I was compelled in my giant ape heart to stay after everyone else had left for summer to clean up all the bottles, broken glass and things I couldn’t give a name to that were soaked with mold, dirt, dust, bugs and male bodily fluids I am hoping were just urine… Yep, female RA’s are geniuses!

    • Wasn’t this blog put up because you (the webmaster) had issues with censorship? Then why did you just censor Aaron Tifft’s comment? Seems like a double standard to me… “Ooooh ORU doesn’t want you to know this, so I am gonna post it.” *scrolls down to the comment boxes.* “Oh my God! I can’t have him saying THAT!” *censors*

  5. Is pointing out faults via newspaper for donors, alumni and the general public to see really the best route?

    Pretty sure the church(or Christians or students/faculty) should resolve conflicts or disagreements among themselves. Non Christians and ORU haters already have enough ammo.

    Like it or not, ORU has an image to maintain(would you attend a place if all its problems were laid out for you?) just like every institution and as a private university they can pretty much do what they want when it comes to the school paper. Yes, the school is imperfect BUT the administration knows it!

    They have your best interest at heart, but don’t always know how to manage multiple caseloads. As a student, I hate the dress code AND curfew, but if I cant follow rules, how can I follow God when he tells me to do something I absolutely don’t want to?

    I say tell the administration how you feel in person or write em a letter.

    And if you really cant stand it or (you have correctly assessed things and admin totally sucks)…….Matt 18 “And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector” = Transfer and thank God for removing you from the situation.

  6. I’m glad the article is posted, and I hope all the prospective students got copies. I have to say the letter could have been written more eloquently and logically, but what the hell? Nobody more eloquent ever wrote about it, so at least somebody took the time. It’s so silly that the Oracle is back in the bins, as if administration is acknowledging that the information presented is nothing new (or worthy of concern?) for current students, but God forbid we let the sweet little potential students hear anything about it.
    The problem is that, for PR purposes, the University is unwilling to allow any official talk about ugly business in public. Unlike most other universities, I assume, ORU is still strongly tied to the family of its founder, as well as the religious community of which that family is part. Notice the administration allows critiques of Pat Robertson accompanied by unflattering pictures, but if a student expresses interest in interviewing Oral’s gay grandson or discussing the specifics of what might get a floor disbanded, it looks too bad for ORU.
    The above statement that, “This world is full of hate, racism, sexism, murder, etc, get use to it if you plan on being an instrument for the Lord,” is precisely the opposite of what I believe should be the call of Christians who live in this world. Wherever we are, we should not be tolerating these things in our lives, because they are not of the kingdom of God. The small, seemingly insignificant scale of ORU is a teaching place for all of us to learn how to make our lives better reflect the nature of God, including in the ways in which ORU needs to be changed. If we don’t work for change here, we’ll just as easily tolerate the “hate, racism, sexism, murder, etc” that occurring on a much larger, much uglier scale in the rest of the world.

  7. I am truly sorry for your experience at that university. But I do not understand why anyone would go to a religious institution to learn , You will not get facts and knowledge but a very slanted inccorect view of things. It is the 21st century why are we still letting mysticism and prejudice and archaic traditions rule our lives.

  8. This school is not perfect, nor is its issues any different than any other universities. I understand some students who attend the school come with the mindset that it will be all “Holy Ghost” filled experiences everywhere but that’s not the case here or should be expected.

    It sucks to know students and ex-students have developed personal issues due to attending this school because of what happens on campus. Those issues should have been helped from the students and faculty, and even Christ so there’s no excuse for people not being helped here. This school is great though and anybody who wants to talk bad about this school is clearly immature and needs a reality check.

    I realize everyone here is from all over the world and grew up in different lifestyles but it puzzles me why some students complain about the littlest things. It’s like some students are just used to having everything their way. This world is full of hate, racism, sexism, murder, etc, get use to it if you plan on being an instrument for the Lord. I’m Hispanic and grew up in the hood so I know. No matter what happens here remember somebody always has it worse than you, you could be homeless, or even dead. Be grateful for being at ORU. Be thankful for SAGA, it’s a freakin buffet morning, noon and night!

    I’m not saying don’t bring up serious issues but if issues are not causing trauma to your life then persevere through them. Ain’t nothing the Lord can’t take off your shoulders.

  9. It’s a student news paper children, no one really cares what it says and its just for fun… The Oracle was crap before Mr. Armstrong took it over, and the website didn’t exist… The fact that you all care whether its pulled or distributed now-a-days is a compliment to his influence… Have fun, laugh it off and get over it… You’ll face many worse obstacles and injustices in life.

    • Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. MLK Of course the cost of the threat to certain places is less, but the cost of not listening to a voice (which some have called ‘bratty’) has the price of a white-washing… especially for a place using the name Christ.

  10. I did not attend ORU, but know many who did- and heard MANY times of the unfair sexist rules.
    I did attend another Christian University- and although some of the rules were a little out there, I signed up for it. But, the women and men were treated and dealt with equally- I realize now what a blessing that is.
    If the students published the letter, it was because they agreed and there was truth in it. It really does not seem that difficult to me, ORU should admit that the administration/leadership is not perfect, they take ownership, make some adjustments in the system that are not working and strengthen the ones that are. By removing the papers, they gave off the impression that they want everyone to think they are perfect- which is arrogant and impossible.
    They would gain so much respect for owning their part in the situation and make changes.
    BTW, far to many people have made comments about that dean of women for her to even still be employed there. That’s shameful for that school.

  11. I have a few thoughts to throw into the mix on this.
    The first is that I agree with Roy-Gene’s statements about censorship, its really a black-eye to the status of this university to have this type of censorship policy, but I’m happy that they at least put the paper back in the distribution bins (even if it was after all the prospective students left the campus… hmmmm). Its more than a little ridiculous that this even happened.
    The second thought I have is on the article in general. While I think its good overall, I think it was a bit dramatic. And please, any of you reading this, don’t discount my thoughts here because I’m a dude and couldn’t possibly understand, because you’re wrong. As a former RA, I did enforce dress code, regularly checked my guys’ rooms for alcohol (and found it more than once), enforced chapel attendance, among other things. The problem with enforcement is from the Dean of Women’s office, and yes, the Dean of Women is a WOMAN. I don’t know what your definition of sexism is, but the unequal enforcement of these rules by WOMEN doesn’t quite fit mine. And I think it’s a little over-dramatic to say “It’s as if I was being punished for being born a female.” Come on, really? I guess everyone’s thoughts are valid, even if they border on the absurd.
    Sure, there are discrepancies in the way men and women are treated on this campus, but, for once, it’s not the men’s fault, at least not entirely. Look to the Dean of Women and the way she and her staff train and demand adherence from the RA’s under them.

    To sum up:
    Censorship is stupid, especially in this context.
    And look at where this inequality is coming from. If you’ve never been a student leader on this campus (which I’m happy to point out that Roy-Gene has been in campus leadership), you don’t know the whole story, and while your opinion is valid, it’s probably not fully informed.

    That is all.

    • Thank you for your opinions. First of all, this paper was based off of my experiences, and seen through my eyes. It’s completely normal for others to see this as dramatic, since it was originally just written as a letter to the Oracle. The experiences really did happen to me and were not exaggerated, but there are plenty of great guys that go to ORU. I didn’t want the focus to be “the men here suck” but rather the obvious differences I’ve seen rule-wise between men and women. But you’re right, the Dean of Women enforces the rules. However, it is still one gender being treated differently than the other. The intent I had was to bring the focus on the differences in rules between men and women, even if ironically a woman is behind it. I worked in EMR a second year for a reason. Not only was it because of the hilarious things that would go on at night, but I normally get along a lot better with men than women. The guys were fun to hang around. If these experiences happened in towers, I would have mentioned towers specifically, and I definitely do not want to offend any men who really do/did follow the rules such as you. I’m sure you were a great RA. My point was that I had experiences with many guys that responded with very rude behavior when I had to sign them in after curfew, some who should have known better. I never dealt with the same amount of rude behavior when I worked the overnight in the women’s dorms. But you’re right, I’m not all-knowing and do not know every man in leadership on a close level. This was all-in-all a letter written from one person’s point of view on what I’ve seen here that many women can relate to. And I will thank you specifically for being mature about this, and disagreeing without having to be rude.

      • And once again, I actually enjoyed this letter a lot, and I can’t discount the personal feelings or experiences of anyone, especially when I don’t fully understand their point of view. I think you took the right point from what I said, that we’re all not slime balls. I appreciate the acknowledgment 😉 .
        And good luck in your senior year at ORU. I hope things get better next year.

  12. I don’t go to your school, but here’s to students’ voice. Major props for the article. I hope the school improves and that love and grace abound. Also, as a fellow Pre-Med, hang in there; it gets better.

  13. Haha, thank you “Roy” for 30 minutes of pure entertainment… I laughed out loud several times…This article reminded me of Ferris Bueller’s sister “Shawna” who was always upset her brother never got caught skipping school while she always got busted… So Cassie, basically you’re “mad” because you can’t get away with as much at ORU as your male counterparts? Cry me a river… You weren’t “punished because you were born a female,” you were punished because you didn’t go in through the fire escapes after the “Hunger Games” you fool! And it sounds like you didn’t have many friends to cover for you when you needed to be places you weren’t, like chapel… If you don’t want to pay fines, either obey the rules or become a better ninja, duh. If you’re so passionate about easing the honor code for girls at ORU. Why don’t you become an RA and let your girls off the hook? Or better yet, apply for dorm director, class president,etc… What a waste of time this was for you…Get over it.

    • She doesn’t live in Claudius, you idiot. There are no fire escapes to go up. unlike men, the girls fire escapes are not open anyways. if they open it, they get in trouble, unless a miracle happens. trust me, I’ve tried and had to meet with the Dean of women the next week. We can’t just “go up the fire escapes.”And funny you’re calling her stupid when she’s biology premed. what are you?

      • He has a Journalism degree, and is quite a stand-up guy I might add.

        You’re missing the satire of the post. He’s pointing out that she knowingly broke the rules and is complaining when they are enforced.

      • You’ve missed the point of Cassie’s, which is to highlight that the rules were enforced on her and the other women in her group, but not on the men.

      • Thanks Roy-Gene, but I did get the point. Two things:
        Cassie asserts that this duality of enforcement is sexist in nature. “It’s as almost as if I was being punished for being female.” When in reality she wasn’t punished for possession of a vagina, she was punished for coming in after curfew. An infringement she knew could easily get her in trouble.

        Secondly, I personally passed out slips informing gentlemen that they had been fined for breaking curfew over break. If the rule wasn’t enforced upon these guys, it wasn’t a choice, it was an oversight. And I should add, Cassie is more than welcome to go to the Dean’s office and report the malfeasance committed by the gentlemen in her party.

      • Thank you for standing up for me Kat, but calling someone else names and insulting his intelligence isn’t any better. And Aaron, I will add that this was over spring break when I was specifically told as a housing worker that we had a “sign in curfew” which means sign-in, but no fines. Not only were we fined, but the men weren’t. I’m not angry about the rules and how I have to follow them. As I stated earlier in my letter, I still chose to go here knowing the rules. Yes, I can turn guys in. The problem here is that there shouldn’t have been a difference in fines in the first place. If you break the honor code, you should all receive the same punishment, because that was what we were told. I’m sure you were a great RA, Aaron. I’m not trying to offend you, and I don’t mean that all men RAs are terrible workers. There are some, like you, that have done exactly what was asked. It still doesn’t change what I have seen between men and women. If you still disagree with me, it’s completely fine. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with what I wrote.

      • Cassie,
        I must apologize that you were misinformed by University staff. The term “sign-in curfew” dates back to the days when we still did “Curfew Check” (Every night, an RA would go to each room on his/her floor and make sure all the guys were in the dorm somewhere). A “sign-in” curfew meant that there would be no curfew check, but that it would be enforced at the front desk. This meant that a student could leave campus without signing out and incur no penalty, but couldn’t return after curfew without getting penalized.

        It’s actually very similar to what we now do every day, it’s just the terminology has held on since those days. And as I said before, guys do receive fines for coming in late during breaks, if your friends didn’t, it was a mistake and I apologize for the lack of enforcement.

    • and to further explain, we have assigned seating. that’s the point, you IDIOT. our RA’s look for our faces every single week. Can you not understand that is the exact point we’re making? you guys are able to have your friends sign you in. We have to sit in the same seat/row every week, and if our RAs don’t see us, we get marked absent.

      • Kat111, you are beginning to show that you might be lacking the same intellect you assume is absent from PJ. The guys are not able to have friends sign them in, that might happen with some RAs that lack the guts necessary to do their job, but it is not the case across the board.

        When we were on the same floor, if I didn’t see PJ he was marked absent.

      • Our fire escapes were only accessible when one electrically talented student would disable the alarms and jam the door from locking… “When there’s a will, there’s a way…” They weren’t magically unlocked. I knew quite a few clever females who would sneak out after curfew, hangout in EMR for hours, and sneak back like they had backstage VIP passes to P-Diddy’s “members only” after-party. I’m sure they were caught or ratted out sometimes, but they bit the bullet. Aaron you said “Vagina!” haha, thanks for the props man, You are verbally arresting. Well said Sir.

      • Thank you pj for further illustrating how the guys dorms have more leniency. If men snuck into women’s dorms, the women who allowed them to come in would be kicked out in no time. Also, thank you for using such great logic. The women whose RAs specifically look for them in chapel can somehow have a friend put on a mask pretending to be them to “outsmart” the RA. The women in towers are so stupid for not properly scaling the wall to climb up the side. You trying to get the women to break the rules here as well further shows how men don’t follow them here. My RA was a complete pot head freshman year. I have to agree with the women on this one.

  14. I went to a non-religious private college and I am so, so glad I didn’t have to deal with this. The worst I had it was a rude professor or two, but never something like this.

  15. Im glad someone pointed out these issues, I’m glad that people make a huff about it, but what probably didn’t bode well with administration was the simple fact that she sounded like a brat. I understand you two are not yet mature (admittedly neither am I) but you’re talking to adults too, and adults who likely have children, so sounding like a 15-year-old whose upset they can’t watch some R-rated movie will simply irritate them. A weighed and measured approach to administration proves that you want to be viewed as an intelligent and well-intentioned adult, not a teenager beyond their years still rebelling against paternal authority figures.

    Sexism is a real issue everywhere and I honestly think it is the single greatest lie that our spiritual enemy has ever made us believe, but when you decide to vocalize your disbelief at such an atrocious discrepancy between the treatment of the genders at ORU just remember that an exposé is better left to the objective facts. Grandiose statements and attempts to demean the thought processes and reasoning of good intentioned adults really only serve to betray an immaturity that’s best left within the confines of the dorms.

    Also, on a side note: collar bones and shoulders can be very sexually attractive, as can anything that’s left can any body part that’s frequently covered, like a geisha showing her wrist. In ancient Mesopotamia the breast were left exposed, and though that doesn’t detract from the fact that they are in fact erogenous zones, they didn’t have the same appeal. Nor did it in previous centuries when breast-feeding was predominant, the deficit produced from the lack of breast-feeding being men who literally idolize the breasts because as babies they didn’t get enough of them according to their biological impulses. Subsequently as time went on and the covering became more important the logical conclusion to that would be as extreme as UPC attire requirements, and as “lax” as ORU has become. Because, to be frank, when I was at ORU even a few years ago, we were required to dress exponentially more professional and “modest” than the over-sexualized attire girls wear (and infrequently reprimanded for) and terribly trashy outfits guys wear. But when I was a freshman we had to wear ties to class too, no jeans. So, whatever, at least that’s gone.

    • What about the idea, that the ‘moral conscience’ of the guys is over protected by making sure the women dont wear clothing that shows shoulders, when the guys could sometimes get away with wearing no shirts at some times in the AC, or wear shirts that have the sides cut all the way down to the waist, so while they cover their chest, they actually don’t. If we only ‘protect’ one sides sensitivities is this not sexist? This is a complex issue that is hard to understand.

    • Isn’t the terminology “brat” usually just referring to women? Seems a little gender biased to me. Do you also think that African Americans who wanted equal rights also sounded like 15 year old “brats?” I’m a guy too, and this seemed like a woman simply expressing her opinions in a letter format. Your comment “brat” is sexist. You are assuming she was just an angry little girl and not a full grown woman expressing the separation of gender rules here

      • And to explain: The reason I’m stating this is because my little sister is called a “brat” all the time b/c my family is wealthy. It just struck a nerve. I don’t know this girl personally, but this letter just did not seem that offensive. In fact, I agree with it. Call me weird.

  16. i really wish RAs and chaplains knew what they were getting themselves into when it comes to certain issues. like sex, it’s not a bad thing, yes it says in the bible sex before marriage is wrong but seriously I would see athletes practically get all sexual in the library. this is bull, and then I hear guys telling their friends they did it with their gfs and not getting in trouble. I had displinary probation cus of that and to have my former RA tell me she was disappointed in me made me feel like crap! I was having a simple lunch with my “friend”/ chaplain when I blurted it out. I’m completely honest with anything but this… the reaction on them made me feel like nothing like I was shit. my RA is the reason I left ORU and didn’t return for a second year and honestly it was the best decision ever. I do miss a few like 4-6 people but nonetheless I would never go back not after feeling so judge. last day before leaving I smoked, it smelled like blueberries and peaches. so yea I was high but I smelled good too and I felt awesome.

  17. As a parent we have experienced similar situations with the Dean of Women. We are not meddling parents however when the accusations and responses from her were so outrageous, we intervened. There was a moment when we were appauled by a statement from her that she would place a written notice in our daughters “file” that would have negative consequences for her if we pursued the situation. Outrageous. The Dean also had her RA threaten our daughter by telling her she (the RA) better not receive any more calls from parents. Unbelievable. We dealt with this immediately, only to be mocked by her later…yes, the dean mocked my words. I have been an Instructor at a Community College and never have I experienced such rudeness, disrespect, disregard for feelings of others as I have from the Dean of Women. Our daughter will be a Senior. She loves her Professors and is doing extremely well, and we view this attack against her character as just that—an unfair assault on her character and integrity. She is a very sweet, pretty, loving young woman. Perhaps those are qualities the Dean of Women is uncomfortable dealing with. It is our opinion that these issues need to be address with the Board of Directors.

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